U2 Chart/Sales Statistics - Page 10

fedeu2 · 01-17-2006, 07:12 AM

The question still remains. Does soundscan extrapolate its data to 100% or not??

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Originally posted by STING2

Soundscan was covering 75% by mid 1993. The 85% level of coverage was reached by mid 1995.

edge3 · 01-17-2006, 09:02 AM

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Originally posted by doctorwho

Based on the numbers you provided, the sum is 21.5M. So does this 30M number include sales from HTDAAB? If so, then that means 5.5M in sales must be from the two "Best Of" albums. Based on RIAA certifications, this seems right, but just wanted to clarify. Thanks!

Yes, it does include HTDAAB so the other 5.5m should be from Best Of's... possibly something like :

80-90 : 2.7m (1CD) + 1.4m (2CD) = 4.1m
90-00 : 600k (1CD) + 800k (2CD) = 1.4m

Btw, Hanboo actually only said that those JT & R&H numbers are from Dec 2005. For those other figures i've only really assumed that they're also from Dec 2005 because he's also updated them in the same place at the same time.

edge3 · 01-17-2006, 09:12 AM

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Originally posted by fedeu2
The question still remains. Does soundscan extrapolate its data to 100% or not??

I'm sure they didn't do this for albums released back in the early to mid 90's : there are quite few albums from this period where SS sales are quite a bit less than shipments. Best Example ? Nirvana's Nevermind definitely had SS sales of under 7m when it was certified 10m. Just like AB's 5m vrs 8m... & both were released around the time SS started.

mosquito · 01-17-2006, 09:16 AM

The soundscan total numbers are since january 1, 1991 or since may 91 when billboard started to use soundscan for their charts?
Thank you.

edge3 · 01-17-2006, 09:47 AM

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Originally posted by ChargedVT
There has been a bit of talk about French sales for U2 albums in recent months. Well, I dug up this old article from early 1999, it concerns the Best of 1980-1990...

Source : YouTwo.net

Thanks to Al Leclerc who is reporting the following information on the French Charts :

The album scored as belows in the french albums chart (which combines albums & compilation charts) : 1-1-4-3-3-3-3-3-6-4

The single Sweetest thing peaked at no. 18 in his first week of release and is this week at no. 99

The three formats of the album (double CD/B-sides, CD & K7) sold a cumulative 732 000 so far (which largelly outsold the George Michael and Mariah Carey best of).

These figures make The Best of 1980-90 one of the fastest selling international album of the recent french chart history. During the period it was only devanced by 2 albums of the french musical ’Notre Dame de Paris’(studio and live set).

This make the ’Best of’ the best selling U2 album of the 90s (Achtung Baby sold 629 000, Zooropa sold 450 000 and Pop sold 322 000 in France).

Interesting... i think those AB & Pop figures are too low though : i believe the current 1m figure for AB (certainly above 800k anyway) & Pop sold 350k in '97 alone (16th on EOY best seller list).

edge3 · 01-17-2006, 11:06 AM

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Originally posted by edge3

I'm sure they didn't do this for albums released back in the early to mid 90's : there are quite few albums from this period where SS sales are quite a bit less than shipments. Best Example ? Nirvana's Nevermind definitely had SS sales of under 7m when it was certified 10m. Just like AB's 5m vrs 8m... & both were released around the time SS started.

Correction : i missed the 'a' there, so what i actually meant was that "...there are quite a few albums from this period where SS sales are quite a bit less than shipments..."

STING2 · 01-17-2006, 07:40 PM

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Originally posted by fedeu2
The question still remains. Does soundscan extrapolate its data to 100% or not??

No, I don't believe they do. Soundscan gives exact figures. If it was extrapolating, they would not be giving exact figures and would be rounding to the nearest thousand or so.

fedeu2 · 01-17-2006, 08:05 PM

You´ve got a point here.
So the only exact sale figures are obtained from Billboard?

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Originally posted by STING2

No, I don't believe they do. Soundscan gives exact figures. If it was extrapolating, they would not be giving exact figures and would be rounding to the nearest thousand or so.

STING2 · 01-17-2006, 09:46 PM

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Originally posted by fedeu2
You´ve got a point here.
So the only exact sale figures are obtained from Billboard?

They come from Soundscan and sometimes they are reprinted in Billboard.

fedeu2 · 01-18-2006, 06:57 AM

That´s what I suspected.
So basically, there are no means to get completely accurate numbers in regards sales to consumers. There´s always RIAA but they deal with shipped copies.

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Originally posted by STING2

They come from Soundscan and sometimes they are reprinted in Billboard.

Popmartijn · 01-18-2006, 07:58 AM

Nowadays, Soundscan numbers are accurate.

fedeu2 · 01-18-2006, 08:11 AM

I meant inaccurate in the sense that they don´t account for 100% of sales to consumers.

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Originally posted by Popmartijn
Nowadays, Soundscan numbers are accurate.

Popmartijn · 01-18-2006, 08:17 AM

With products like this, it's never possible to get 100% accurate sales. So 95%+ accuracy is good enough.

fedeu2 · 01-18-2006, 08:35 AM

I would agree with that.
But then, the most significant commercial parameter is shipped copies. Unless the record companies make mistakes when counting the units

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Originally posted by Popmartijn
With products like this, it's never possible to get 100% accurate sales. So 95%+ accuracy is good enough.

edge3 · 01-21-2006, 04:57 PM

Well, it now seems to me that a couple of the chart experts at UKMIX.com are saying the same as what Dr Who said : that they do, & always have, extrapolated the figures. This would mean that the current 5,414,000 total for AB is more or less the exact number of over the counter sales to date.

However what this doesn't include is the extra number of copies sold through Music Clubs & such like (such as BMG). So, basically, for it to have been certified 8xPlat in Aug ' 97 AB must have sold another approx 3 million through the Music Clubs & such like, up to this point.

Unfortunatley UKMIX.com doesn't have any available sales for AB through the Music Clubs & such like although they do for other top selling albums, incl. JT.

So surely the figures do exist... anyone got them ? If so please post them here. Thx in advance.

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01-17-2006, 09:16 AM	#139
mosquito The Fly Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 76 Local Time: 02:34 PM	The soundscan total numbers are since january 1, 1991 or since may 91 when billboard started to use soundscan for their charts? Thank you.

01-18-2006, 07:58 AM	#146
Popmartijn Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Netherlands Posts: 24,570 Local Time: 02:34 PM	Nowadays, Soundscan numbers are accurate.

01-18-2006, 08:17 AM	#148
Popmartijn Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Netherlands Posts: 24,570 Local Time: 02:34 PM	With products like this, it's never possible to get 100% accurate sales. So 95%+ accuracy is good enough.

01-21-2006, 04:57 PM	#150
edge3 Refugee Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 1,376 Local Time: 02:34 PM	Well, it now seems to me that a couple of the chart experts at UKMIX.com are saying the same as what Dr Who said : that they do, & always have, extrapolated the figures. This would mean that the current 5,414,000 total for AB is more or less the exact number of over the counter sales to date. However what this doesn't include is the extra number of copies sold through Music Clubs & such like (such as BMG). So, basically, for it to have been certified 8xPlat in Aug ' 97 AB must have sold another approx 3 million through the Music Clubs & such like, up to this point. Unfortunatley UKMIX.com doesn't have any available sales for AB through the Music Clubs & such like although they do for other top selling albums, incl. JT. So surely the figures do exist... anyone got them ? If so please post them here. Thx in advance.